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NS 6N; NS 6♦; NS 4♥; NS 3♠; NS 4♣; Par +1440
| West | North | East | South |
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| Pass | 2 ♦ | Pass | 3 NT |
| Pass | 4 ♣ | Pass | 4 ♠ |
| Pass | 5 ♦ | All pass |
| Lead: ♣ J |
Another table: 1 ♥ p 2 ♦ p 3 ♣ p 3nt ap. Lead= ♣ J
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South has a balanced 18hcp. ACOL standard here is 2NT, which is a GF. 3NT gives North a problem as it uses so much space, but 4C gerber (if it was) is not the answer with a void.
ReplyDeleteA better sequence is probably something like:
1H p 2D p; 2Nt p 3D p; 3H p 3S p; 4C p 4D p; 4H p 4nt p; 5c p 6D
3D == pard, I dont really like NT, I dont have support for hearts, but I have good diamonds
3H== cue, not natural as pard as said he doesnt have support
3S/4C==cues
4D== waiting bid, what more can u tell me?
4H== second cue for hearts. Must be AK
4NT== RKCB, normally to be avoided with voids but here we know pard has the AH.
5C== 0/3 controls. So we are off 1 vital control, hence 6D is sound. Pard has AH, KH, and two of AS/AC/KD. That equals 14-15hcp, so may not have much more, so 6NT cant be assured
Without the skill of cue bidding in your armory how would you suggest this auction should go?
ReplyDeleteSomeone, perhaps both need to make a quantitative bid. On this hand it is going to be awkward as north has nothing in clubs and south has nothing in spades. One of them is going to have to take a leap of faith at some point.
DeleteIf I have the north hand and I learn that partner is 18-19 balanced then I will bid a slam unless I hear something really bad in the bidding. Given there is no cue-bidding then it is less likely I will hear something really bad.
As an aside on the auction shown with a jump to 3NT you make it very difficult with partner with distribution. It is much better to bid 2NT with 15+ (assuming Acol) and if necessary you can make a quantitative bid - usually raise to 4NT later.
Probably over 3D South should raise to 4D. North with a void is reduced to trying RKCB and hoping pard has more than a balanced 15 count (which is much more likely than say a 17-18 count), but let's say pard answers 2, with the DK and HA. Too high. Let's say he answers 3. Could be HA, SA, DK. You have 2 club losers off the top.
ReplyDeletePossibly best just to bid 4NT quantitative over 2NT.
I see (said the blind man lol) .. Thanks for the replies!
ReplyDeleteJust to clarify .... The suggested 2NT bid after 2D suggests 15-17 points? And is GF because partner is showing 10?
And the cue bidding sequence assures a K A or void in the bid suits?
I think in standard Acol the 2NT rebid suggests 15-19 hcp. That means you might need to have an auction like 1H 2D; 2NT 3NT; 4NT to show the 18-19 and invite slam. This is a quantitative raise to 4NT not an ace asking bid.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes 2NT is game forcing as both partner's know we have at least 25 hcp.
Cuebids show a control in the suit bid. There are two common ways to cue bid:
i/ Aces before kings or rather first round controls before second round controls in which case the cue shows an ace or a void - first round controls.
ii/ 1st or 2nd round controls indiscriminately up-the-line in which case a cue shows an ace, a king, a void or a singleton.
Which way of cue bidding would u suggest for those new to this who hope to not get in too much trouble? :)
ReplyDeleteFor about 10-15 years I played the first style and it worked ok. Then on doing some reading I decided to experiment with the second style and played that in my main partnership. Now I would say I am more familiar and comfortable with the second style although I occasionally play the first style when occasional partners insist.
DeleteBoth work well but they have quite different feels to them and different problem hands.
With the second style you can often stop at 4Maj when you know you are missing AK in some side suit. Whereas in the first style you don't have as much information when you bypass a suit.
Conversely the first style gives more information when you bid a suit.
I would just pick one and give it a try. If you have any regular or prospective partners maybe try and pick the one they play or want to play if there is any consensus.
Just so the blind man can see even more.... generally u avoid cueing shortage in your partners suit (pard wants to know about the king opposite his AQxxxx, not that u are void) - but some ptnerships allows this on the 2nd round after having denied a control on the first round.
ReplyDeleteMore rarely the 2NT rebid can be 20+ and 5422 shape, where you have preferred to open 1x rather than 2nt direct, and don't want to bid 3y, so the technical description is 15+
Either way will u get to play a contract of say 4S with Axx opposite x? Yes, without a shadow of a doubt. The benefits resulting from being able to bid slams more accurately outweight the occasionally stuff up (and hopefully the stuffs ups become faded memories over time).
ReplyDeleteI have strong preference for 1st and 2nd round - but that is probably only because I am used to that system.